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		<description>A new study debating the effectiveness of minimally invasive prostate
surgery is not telling the whole story, warns Dr. David B. Samadi, Chief
of the Division of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery in the
Department of Urology at The Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.

    Authored by Dr. Jim Hu, a surgeon in the Urology Division of Brigham and
Women&#039;s Hospital in Boston, the study appears in the Journal of the
American Medical Association and suggests that minimally invasive radical
prostatectomy (MIRP) carries a higher risk of impotence and incontinence
than traditional surgery. Dr. Samadi feels that there is not enough
comprehensive data to make this determination as the study did not
demonstrate the number of patients that actually had robotic surgery,
pre-existing urinary and sexual dysfunctions prior to surgery, and most
importantly, the experience and skill of the surgeons involved.

    Dr. Hu&#039;s robotic prostate surgery study acknowledged that MIRP patients
had shorter hospital stays, were less likely to need a blood transfusion,
had less post-surgical respiratory complications and less urethral
stricture. However, it also left out too much important data to
accurately base a final conclusion, said Dr. Samadi, who has successfully
performed over 2,100 robotic surgeries in his practice. Samadi believes
that the author considered only the study&#039;s parameters, which does not
paint an accurate picture.

    Data was analyzed from the years 2003 to 2006 of a group of nearly 2,000
Medicare prostate cancer patients who had minimally invasive surgical
treatment. &quot;Right out of the gate, we can challenge the findings of the
study based on the fact that, out of the group of patients that had
minimally invasive surgeries, we are not sure how many specifically had
robotic surgeries,&quot; stated Dr. Samadi. Additionally, the study grouped all
surgeries together, including laparoscopic and robotic surgery data,
which does not single out either procedure, and was based on Medicare
billing codes, which typically includes all prostate surgeries, regardless
of type. By analyzing just Medicare patients, Samadi stated that the study
group consists of a population that tends to be older with larger
prostates, thereby adding to the risk of side effects.

    However, most importantly, states Dr. Samadi, during the years of the
study, robotics was a new and emerging treatment. And, with the bulk of
the data coming from Michigan and California, Samadi believes the public
is only getting part of the story. &quot;This study was conducted during a time
when not only the modality was new, but the doctors and hospitals offering
it were few and far between,&quot; he says, &quot;Not surprisingly, back then,
patients opted for the closest surgeon, and this does not guarantee the
best surgeon.&quot;

    What is vital to note is that there is no information from validated
questionnaires, which Dr. Samadi routinely uses in his practice for
outcome research. These questionnaires are given to patients prior to
their surgeries specifically to ascertain any pre-existing conditions,
such as incontinence and impotence. They are also administered every
three months after their surgeries to discuss their experiences and
complications, if any. &quot;Without the validated questionnaire data, we
don&#039;t know exactly how many of these patients had urinary or sexual
problems to begin with,&quot; muses Samadi. &quot;If the problem already existed,
then of course it will still exist after the surgery.&quot; Dr. Samadi
believes that this ambiguity casts doubt on the study&#039;s conclusion and
could potentially confuse patients during a difficult time in their lives.

    Ironically, it was the study&#039;s author who delivered the biggest rebuttal.
Dr. Hu admitted that in both minimally invasive and traditional surgeries
with reported post-surgical complications of incontinence and impotency,
the doctors might have been inexperienced, which may have contributed to
these complications. &quot;The data would suggest both procedures are
equivalent in the hands of a skilled surgeon,&quot; said Hu. Hu also
acknowledged that there &quot;are advantages to each type of surgery,&quot; and
that a prostate cancer patient &quot;should talk with his surgeon about their
level of experience performing each type of surgery and what the outcomes
are.&quot;

    The FDA currently mandates that surgeons take a weekend course to learn
how to use the robot for prostate surgery, and then be monitored by a
surgeon who has done at least 20 cases. Studies have shown that it takes
several hundred cases to become proficient at operating with a robot. Dr.
Samadi believes that the learning curve for robotics is too steep to be
learned with just a weekend of training. Dr. Hu also supported this in
his study when he said, &quot;As with any new procedure, there is a learning
curve.&quot;

    &quot;Of course, you can&#039;t just buy a robot, market it and be good at it just
like that,&quot; says Dr. Samadi, &quot;The concept of &#039;see one, do one, teach one&#039;
doesn&#039;t work in a complex surgery such as this. It&#039;s not the technology.
It is important for patients to remember that the robot doesn&#039;t perform
the surgery -- the surgeon does.&quot;

    Samadi believes that the average surgeon barely performs enough robotic
prostatectomy procedures to be considered proficient. He further explains
that robotics are used just for an extra surgical edge, but that there is
an actual surgeon at the controls -- hopefully, an experienced one. &quot;The
surgeon must possess all three skills (traditional, laparoscopic an
robotic experience) and not just rely on one modality,&quot; he explains.
&quot;With an experienced surgeon, who is also an oncologist and possesses all
of these skills, patients should not experience these kinds of side
effects.&quot;

    Dr. Hu acknowledged that the findings are based on an average of the
outcomes of many surgeries performed by many different surgeons with
different skill levels throughout the country. &quot;This uncertainty by the
author himself is worrisome,&quot; says Dr. Samadi, &quot;By grouping together
surgeons of many different experience and skill levels, you can send the
wrong message to patients.&quot; Samadi&#039;s philosophy is simple: bad surgeons
get bad results and good surgeons get good results. &quot;The bottom line is
that many surgeons just do not have the right combination of experience
with robotic surgery,&quot; says Samadi.

    With regards to the post-surgical complications from robotic surgery, Dr.
Samadi has data of his own to refute Dr. Hu&#039;s robotic surgery study. &quot;Out
of my last 1,100 cases, within one year, 97% of my patients regained
their urinary control and 85% regained their sexual function,&quot; he said.
&quot;The average patient blood loss is 70cc and less than half a percent of
my patients experiences urethral stricture scarring.&quot; And the outlook is
even more promising with a reported positive margin of 4% for T2 disease.

    The take-home message for his patients is a cautionary one: patients
beware. &quot;Be careful of what you read and make sure you get all of the
information from the experts before you decide on a treatment,&quot; counsels
Dr. Samadi. &quot;Remember to look for surgeons who are also oncologists and
who are not only trained in da vinci surgery, but who are also trained in
laparoscopic and traditional surgeries as well. Knowing all three
modalities is the key to true success in da vinci robotic prostatectomy
surgery.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new study debating the effectiveness of minimally invasive prostate<br />
surgery is not telling the whole story, warns Dr. David B. Samadi, Chief<br />
of the Division of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery in the<br />
Department of Urology at The Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.</p>
<p>    Authored by Dr. Jim Hu, a surgeon in the Urology Division of Brigham and<br />
Women&#8217;s Hospital in Boston, the study appears in the Journal of the<br />
American Medical Association and suggests that minimally invasive radical<br />
prostatectomy (MIRP) carries a higher risk of impotence and incontinence<br />
than traditional surgery. Dr. Samadi feels that there is not enough<br />
comprehensive data to make this determination as the study did not<br />
demonstrate the number of patients that actually had robotic surgery,<br />
pre-existing urinary and sexual dysfunctions prior to surgery, and most<br />
importantly, the experience and skill of the surgeons involved.</p>
<p>    Dr. Hu&#8217;s robotic prostate surgery study acknowledged that MIRP patients<br />
had shorter hospital stays, were less likely to need a blood transfusion,<br />
had less post-surgical respiratory complications and less urethral<br />
stricture. However, it also left out too much important data to<br />
accurately base a final conclusion, said Dr. Samadi, who has successfully<br />
performed over 2,100 robotic surgeries in his practice. Samadi believes<br />
that the author considered only the study&#8217;s parameters, which does not<br />
paint an accurate picture.</p>
<p>    Data was analyzed from the years 2003 to 2006 of a group of nearly 2,000<br />
Medicare prostate cancer patients who had minimally invasive surgical<br />
treatment. &#8220;Right out of the gate, we can challenge the findings of the<br />
study based on the fact that, out of the group of patients that had<br />
minimally invasive surgeries, we are not sure how many specifically had<br />
robotic surgeries,&#8221; stated Dr. Samadi. Additionally, the study grouped all<br />
surgeries together, including laparoscopic and robotic surgery data,<br />
which does not single out either procedure, and was based on Medicare<br />
billing codes, which typically includes all prostate surgeries, regardless<br />
of type. By analyzing just Medicare patients, Samadi stated that the study<br />
group consists of a population that tends to be older with larger<br />
prostates, thereby adding to the risk of side effects.</p>
<p>    However, most importantly, states Dr. Samadi, during the years of the<br />
study, robotics was a new and emerging treatment. And, with the bulk of<br />
the data coming from Michigan and California, Samadi believes the public<br />
is only getting part of the story. &#8220;This study was conducted during a time<br />
when not only the modality was new, but the doctors and hospitals offering<br />
it were few and far between,&#8221; he says, &#8220;Not surprisingly, back then,<br />
patients opted for the closest surgeon, and this does not guarantee the<br />
best surgeon.&#8221;</p>
<p>    What is vital to note is that there is no information from validated<br />
questionnaires, which Dr. Samadi routinely uses in his practice for<br />
outcome research. These questionnaires are given to patients prior to<br />
their surgeries specifically to ascertain any pre-existing conditions,<br />
such as incontinence and impotence. They are also administered every<br />
three months after their surgeries to discuss their experiences and<br />
complications, if any. &#8220;Without the validated questionnaire data, we<br />
don&#8217;t know exactly how many of these patients had urinary or sexual<br />
problems to begin with,&#8221; muses Samadi. &#8220;If the problem already existed,<br />
then of course it will still exist after the surgery.&#8221; Dr. Samadi<br />
believes that this ambiguity casts doubt on the study&#8217;s conclusion and<br />
could potentially confuse patients during a difficult time in their lives.</p>
<p>    Ironically, it was the study&#8217;s author who delivered the biggest rebuttal.<br />
Dr. Hu admitted that in both minimally invasive and traditional surgeries<br />
with reported post-surgical complications of incontinence and impotency,<br />
the doctors might have been inexperienced, which may have contributed to<br />
these complications. &#8220;The data would suggest both procedures are<br />
equivalent in the hands of a skilled surgeon,&#8221; said Hu. Hu also<br />
acknowledged that there &#8220;are advantages to each type of surgery,&#8221; and<br />
that a prostate cancer patient &#8220;should talk with his surgeon about their<br />
level of experience performing each type of surgery and what the outcomes<br />
are.&#8221;</p>
<p>    The FDA currently mandates that surgeons take a weekend course to learn<br />
how to use the robot for prostate surgery, and then be monitored by a<br />
surgeon who has done at least 20 cases. Studies have shown that it takes<br />
several hundred cases to become proficient at operating with a robot. Dr.<br />
Samadi believes that the learning curve for robotics is too steep to be<br />
learned with just a weekend of training. Dr. Hu also supported this in<br />
his study when he said, &#8220;As with any new procedure, there is a learning<br />
curve.&#8221;</p>
<p>    &#8220;Of course, you can&#8217;t just buy a robot, market it and be good at it just<br />
like that,&#8221; says Dr. Samadi, &#8220;The concept of &#8216;see one, do one, teach one&#8217;<br />
doesn&#8217;t work in a complex surgery such as this. It&#8217;s not the technology.<br />
It is important for patients to remember that the robot doesn&#8217;t perform<br />
the surgery &#8212; the surgeon does.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Samadi believes that the average surgeon barely performs enough robotic<br />
prostatectomy procedures to be considered proficient. He further explains<br />
that robotics are used just for an extra surgical edge, but that there is<br />
an actual surgeon at the controls &#8212; hopefully, an experienced one. &#8220;The<br />
surgeon must possess all three skills (traditional, laparoscopic an<br />
robotic experience) and not just rely on one modality,&#8221; he explains.<br />
&#8220;With an experienced surgeon, who is also an oncologist and possesses all<br />
of these skills, patients should not experience these kinds of side<br />
effects.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Dr. Hu acknowledged that the findings are based on an average of the<br />
outcomes of many surgeries performed by many different surgeons with<br />
different skill levels throughout the country. &#8220;This uncertainty by the<br />
author himself is worrisome,&#8221; says Dr. Samadi, &#8220;By grouping together<br />
surgeons of many different experience and skill levels, you can send the<br />
wrong message to patients.&#8221; Samadi&#8217;s philosophy is simple: bad surgeons<br />
get bad results and good surgeons get good results. &#8220;The bottom line is<br />
that many surgeons just do not have the right combination of experience<br />
with robotic surgery,&#8221; says Samadi.</p>
<p>    With regards to the post-surgical complications from robotic surgery, Dr.<br />
Samadi has data of his own to refute Dr. Hu&#8217;s robotic surgery study. &#8220;Out<br />
of my last 1,100 cases, within one year, 97% of my patients regained<br />
their urinary control and 85% regained their sexual function,&#8221; he said.<br />
&#8220;The average patient blood loss is 70cc and less than half a percent of<br />
my patients experiences urethral stricture scarring.&#8221; And the outlook is<br />
even more promising with a reported positive margin of 4% for T2 disease.</p>
<p>    The take-home message for his patients is a cautionary one: patients<br />
beware. &#8220;Be careful of what you read and make sure you get all of the<br />
information from the experts before you decide on a treatment,&#8221; counsels<br />
Dr. Samadi. &#8220;Remember to look for surgeons who are also oncologists and<br />
who are not only trained in da vinci surgery, but who are also trained in<br />
laparoscopic and traditional surgeries as well. Knowing all three<br />
modalities is the key to true success in da vinci robotic prostatectomy<br />
surgery.&#8221;</p>
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